As a non-white, non-male, I was shocked when Obama won, and I voted for him with hope, but I honestly hadn't quite believed he'd win. It gave me hope that Harris would win too, but I still felt that it was a long shot, as much as I liked her and thought she was the leader we needed. But the 4 earlier drumpf years allowed racism and misogyny to be ok again. It was devastating in so many ways and the US will be paying for it for decades to come.
I have said this repeatedly to anyone who will listen but then, I'm just a Whyte Woman of a certain age. So tired of the leadership refusing to name and shame MAGA for its racism and sexism. Anyone who actually has a brain and lives or knows people who live in rural or small town America knows why Trump won. These people have been lied to for 50 years and they don't know anyone different than them. They feed off each other's fears and pretend they are knowledgeable but are jealous of anyone who has an education. And they are very, very racist and sexist. Trump allows them to be as ugly as they want to be to lash out at what they don't want to understand.
Yes, voter suppression played a role (not sure how big), but who's vote was suppressed? Pretty sure the skin tone color chart could be applied and the whole we're too goddamm racist still holds a the underlying reason.
In all its forms, yes, it was a factor. But voter suppression could have been overcome if there weren't millions of racists and/or misogynists in the U.S.
It is astonishing that this law prof is able to criticize Harris who, in 3 weeks, has galvanized support from a diverse growing majority of Americans who care about Democracy, and particularly women's right to make their own health decisions - which is not merely about an abortion.
And astonishing that a law prof could not point out that underlying Republicans’ putsch against Democracy is the manifestly apparent fact that Trump is a Russian Asset operating under Putin's thumb, supported by a gaggle of Russki bribed Congressional Republicans to support their crime family's leader. And a law prof, should be able to see the real whale under the Trump/GOP rug is USC., Art. III, Sec. 3, Treason - which underscores Trump's 3 pending trials - reporters could also objectively create an informed public understanding of why Trump/GOP actions constitute TREASON.
The convention has not taken place yet, the usual way of introducing the issues a candidate will emphasize, but as our great President has focused on from the day he announced he was going to run in 2020 - the most CRITICAL ISSUE IS DEMOCRACY v a Fascist State. So the realty of the controlling issue is -- a second Trump/GOP term, supported by GOP Catholic Justice Traitors, would allow Putin to have his way with American Democracy, and all kinds of rights, including reproductive, would be gone in the ashes of a Democracy gone MIA.
This bears repeating: November is Democracy v Fascism.
A principal fact would be the voting demographics for the past two generations since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (followed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and other such civil rights legislation that followed).
For two generations white American voters have not given even ONE Democratic president since 1964. Not one! The white electorate is the only voting group that has given every single GOP president their majority vote, and that includes a majority of white women voters.
On the other hand, the Black electorate—particularly Black women—has consistently demonstrated itself to be among the most progressive and politically discerning during the same period. For example, in 2016, nearly 100% of Black women supported Hillary Clinton, while over half of white women voted for Donald Trump.
As a white woman, I fucking hate that this is painfully accurate. White women vote the way their shitty racist husbands tell them, even at our own cost, as long as they get to still enjoy that sweet, sweet white privilege.
As a group white women in the U.S. benefited the most from Civil Rights legislation and affirmative action. For the first time in our species’ 200,000+ year history, we have nearly 100% impeccable birth control. White women are a privileged voting block.
There’s no excuse for them to marry racist husbands in the first place, much less stay with them. If they do it to “still enjoy that sweet, sweet white privilege” then it makes those white women racist as well.
I doubt that most white women who voted for Trump did so because they are "far stupider" than he is. It's far more likely their support was rooted mostly in shared white supremacist beliefs.
Plato said it is not the role of the one who points out the self-evident to prove it, but it is the responsibility of the one in denial to absolutely negate it.
I think ultimately yes, it was bigotry. But I certainly think that a sum total of all the things you mentioned definitely helped pushed the needle over the edge. The DISinformation machine was running on all channels 24/7 with the "muzzle velocity" strategy. People's memories are indeed short so the Disinformation Machine won.
MLK Jr. called it many decades ago when he note: “no group has experienced more prejudice than people of color, except women.” Spot on, despite all the hand wringing bs, it AMERICAN ENDIMIC BIGOTRY. And MAGA is code for MAWA, make America white again - derived from the KKks slogan. Everyone wearing a red hat knows their are bound together by White Supremacy. And the wealthiest Americans who voted for the Russian Asset are sociopaths, unbothered by racism, misogyny, Fascism and grift… self-absorbed in greed without regard for victims, including Democracy.
my editing sucks, after 2 books, one thing I know, the first time I review something I see what I think I wrote - too often. A good thing about FB, you can edit posthumously. -- noted.. it';s an Am... they're... (my wife, who proofed my last book is appalled)
Silence breeds Fascism. It's past time to acknowledge that what is happening is a bloodless COUP. And in lieu of chronicling each outrageous act, each constitutionally unlawful act, it's time to step up to the line in defense of the Constitution to protect Democracy.
I took an oath "to defend the Constitution from foreign & DOMESTIC ENEMIES," to attend USNOCS starting on 19/Sept/1964. Generals and Admirals took the same oath, as did members of Congress. There is no oath to defend a President or king or self-evident Traitor in the Oval, under the influence of a foreign enemy, who is supported by a complicit party.
So top Congressional Democrats, considering there is a self-evident war against the Constitution and Democracy, considering there is no regard for the Constitution by the GOP Supreme Court Justices, must authorize military leaders to step up to the line to do their sworn duty to defend the Constitution, ie., Democracy.
Thomas Jefferson said: the role of government is to protect the public good. It would be better if a few Republicans would join with Democrats, if any of the leaders have the courage to do what is clearly necessary --- but to not speak this out loud is to be silent...and we know from Nazi Germany .
Sexism, racism, cheating, suppression, disinformation, gerrymandering, big money media, citizens united sell out, corruption, lack of civics and history education…there needs to be an “all of the above” option. Wanting to zero in on one thing or rank the causes is understandable, it makes it easier to direct your energy, but, is it maybe more worthwhile to just start trying to change the things you can change?
Super voter here. My right to vote was one of the reasons I couldn’t wait to turn 18. Suffragists didn’t throw themselves in front of stampeding horses for me to sit on my ass & not vote.
A few years ago, I tweeted that the reason we elected our first Black president but haven’t had a female president yet is because in the US, Christianity is still more sexist than racist. Some people lost their minds in the comments, but it’s true. Most Christians trust a man no matter his color/ethnicity more than a woman of any color/ethnicity. Misogyny is deeply embedded within their religion.
Yes, but also how incapable liberals are as a group to think critically and pragmatically,, because the election's only issue was Democracy. Should the basic political POLICY OF THE USA BE DEMOCRACY OR FASCISM...
because the have their little likes which come before critical thinking... like how in the hell is the climate going to benefit under Fascists... sucking profits from the environment with 0 concern for the future... and they don't understand price gauging/profiteering underscores the ruse to indulge in sociopathic greed, termed "inflation." And you are spot on Darcy... there's a choice to think straight or be controlled by irrational emotions.
You make a compelling argument, and I know it’s a factor, but I don’t think it’s that simple. I think she lost a lot of liberals because of the Biden Administration’s lack of messaging about its handling of the war in Gaza. Stupid, because Rump? So much worse. Idiots. And a ton of swing voters are really hurting here because although Biden did a masterful job on the economy, it still sucks for working people who don’t make a ton of money to live in this country, and that shit is hard to change here. And don’t forget, the Democrats are dependent on enormous corporate donations to run a campaign, so they’re complicit in many of the problems here. And they don’t have the massive Repugnican misinformation machine. So I’m just saying, complicated. And yes, racist and misogynist.
If she lost liberals due to thinking the US can manage an out of control Netanyahu then these "liberals" are not capable of analytical critical thinking! The Middle East is a cluster fuck, and Democracy was on the line...there were no other issues, because without Democracy... sociopathic Fascists don't give a shit about the public good...which is now on full Monty. And yes racism/misogyny is endemic to the USA - worse than any other country in No or So America.
The whole DEI ruse is a dog whistle to reinstate apartheid in America. In spite of telling the media that they were voting Trump because of the price of eggs, the electorate voted to reimpose a system where they would not have to work for a minority or woman. We have the lowest information voters in the developed world. They don’t understand policy but do respond to dog whistles.
I find it curious that so many of these post-mortems avoid and/or are afraid to assign culpability to Harris and her team. Yes, it was a turnout election; yes, America is a racist and sexist country—both influenced the outcome, sure. But you ignore both the pre-election focus group and exit polling data at your peril: however misunderstand by the polis, it was a two-issue election—the “economy” and immigration—and Harris and co. did not convey their stances on either clearly or cogently. Yes, the polis is illiterate and grievance-oriented; they were also provided no clear reason to vote for her. She had an impossible task, she’s, but she also dropped the ball—that needs to be said.
she and her team spent nearly $1 billion to lose badly. She didn't do the one thing she needed to, which was to explain what she was going to do differently and better than Biden. She didn't lay out an inspiring vision. Of course I'd vote for her a million times over Trump, but she wasn't a great candidate - merely a good one. And that wasn't enough to overcome the racism and sexism.
I believe she lost for not recognizing the horror of genocide in Gaza. My reason is that I was very close to not voting for her denial of even allowing the Palestinians to speak at the convention. That this is never talked about or even mentioned in these discussions makes me sick. From watching young people speak up, I know they feel deeply about the blindness and suffering we support with our weapons.
This is what I understood the numbers showed, that it was people not voting in protest in my State, even more than the rampant supremacy we are witnessing. I reluctantly accept supremacy is the biggest driving factor, but it was a failure to address this issue sufficiently that allowed supremacy the upper hand. I agree it hasn't been talked about enough. I felt it was a mistake to abstain from voting on a single issue, but that doesn't mean it isn't an issue that has to be addressed. The basic problem of citizens not feeling they are being represented is still there. I don't think we have a lot of control over people holding onto misogynistic racism, but we can assert what we expect in leadership. I would like to see it talked about more, how greed is enabling genocide. An election being lost hasn't made it clear enough. It's very important, & it's not just Palestine.
Has the media, any journalist, any news paper written this headline: MAGA IS CODE FOR MAWA, MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN, DERIVED FROM THE KKK'S SLOGAN.
It's time to acknowledge that every empty bigoted head under a red MAGA hat realizes this is the symbol of WHITE SUPREMACISTS - which the canny Russian Asset in the Oval, as a kkk sympathizer, knew would mobilize a base, as he would give voice to their own racism and misogyny.
The part about the Democratic Convention wasnt the important part E Henry. That was just the tipping point. The dems could have gained a smidgen of important forgiveness for just recognizing the right to present a bigger view. Free speech some call it. The horror is what is being done to people and that we ( our State Dept lied about what was happening on the ground) are supporting it with our military-industrial complex! The horror continues. Its not hard to find evidence of it.
Ludicrous. And the Dem convention was not a referendum on Palestine. Furthermore, do you or all the others finding fault with Biden/Harris realistically believe the US can control sociopathic Netanyahu? Shit, the voters allowed the Russian Asset to re-occupy the Oval. THE ONLY ISSUE ON THE BALLOT WAS DEMOCRACY....and now is is MIA.
As a non-white, non-male, I was shocked when Obama won, and I voted for him with hope, but I honestly hadn't quite believed he'd win. It gave me hope that Harris would win too, but I still felt that it was a long shot, as much as I liked her and thought she was the leader we needed. But the 4 earlier drumpf years allowed racism and misogyny to be ok again. It was devastating in so many ways and the US will be paying for it for decades to come.
I felt the same!
Thank you for stating this bluntly. I don't know why so many dance around the issue when it's obvious. Thank you!
I have said this repeatedly to anyone who will listen but then, I'm just a Whyte Woman of a certain age. So tired of the leadership refusing to name and shame MAGA for its racism and sexism. Anyone who actually has a brain and lives or knows people who live in rural or small town America knows why Trump won. These people have been lied to for 50 years and they don't know anyone different than them. They feed off each other's fears and pretend they are knowledgeable but are jealous of anyone who has an education. And they are very, very racist and sexist. Trump allows them to be as ugly as they want to be to lash out at what they don't want to understand.
Over 50? I'm 58 and have become invisible over the past year or so. It's really weird.
My thoughts exactly. Sexism, and this time, racism allowing Trump to fail up...again.
Voter suppression also won the election.
Yes, voter suppression played a role (not sure how big), but who's vote was suppressed? Pretty sure the skin tone color chart could be applied and the whole we're too goddamm racist still holds a the underlying reason.
That is exactly the right question to ask. There's plenty of research that suggests vote suppression in the United States disproportionately affects people of colour: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/impact-voter-suppression-communities-color
There is zero need for research to confirm the self-evident.
In all its forms, yes, it was a factor. But voter suppression could have been overcome if there weren't millions of racists and/or misogynists in the U.S.
And then there is this: E. Henry Schoenberger Shaker Hts. Ohio21m ago https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/15/opinion/abortion-harris-trump.html#permid=135464331
It is astonishing that this law prof is able to criticize Harris who, in 3 weeks, has galvanized support from a diverse growing majority of Americans who care about Democracy, and particularly women's right to make their own health decisions - which is not merely about an abortion.
And astonishing that a law prof could not point out that underlying Republicans’ putsch against Democracy is the manifestly apparent fact that Trump is a Russian Asset operating under Putin's thumb, supported by a gaggle of Russki bribed Congressional Republicans to support their crime family's leader. And a law prof, should be able to see the real whale under the Trump/GOP rug is USC., Art. III, Sec. 3, Treason - which underscores Trump's 3 pending trials - reporters could also objectively create an informed public understanding of why Trump/GOP actions constitute TREASON.
The convention has not taken place yet, the usual way of introducing the issues a candidate will emphasize, but as our great President has focused on from the day he announced he was going to run in 2020 - the most CRITICAL ISSUE IS DEMOCRACY v a Fascist State. So the realty of the controlling issue is -- a second Trump/GOP term, supported by GOP Catholic Justice Traitors, would allow Putin to have his way with American Democracy, and all kinds of rights, including reproductive, would be gone in the ashes of a Democracy gone MIA.
This bears repeating: November is Democracy v Fascism.
This needs backing up with facts.
A principal fact would be the voting demographics for the past two generations since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (followed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and other such civil rights legislation that followed).
For two generations white American voters have not given even ONE Democratic president since 1964. Not one! The white electorate is the only voting group that has given every single GOP president their majority vote, and that includes a majority of white women voters.
On the other hand, the Black electorate—particularly Black women—has consistently demonstrated itself to be among the most progressive and politically discerning during the same period. For example, in 2016, nearly 100% of Black women supported Hillary Clinton, while over half of white women voted for Donald Trump.
As a white woman, I fucking hate that this is painfully accurate. White women vote the way their shitty racist husbands tell them, even at our own cost, as long as they get to still enjoy that sweet, sweet white privilege.
As a group white women in the U.S. benefited the most from Civil Rights legislation and affirmative action. For the first time in our species’ 200,000+ year history, we have nearly 100% impeccable birth control. White women are a privileged voting block.
There’s no excuse for them to marry racist husbands in the first place, much less stay with them. If they do it to “still enjoy that sweet, sweet white privilege” then it makes those white women racist as well.
Well, yeah, white women who vote for racists ARE racist too.
Any woman who voted for Trump is as depraved as he is and far stupider than he.
I doubt that most white women who voted for Trump did so because they are "far stupider" than he is. It's far more likely their support was rooted mostly in shared white supremacist beliefs.
You are likely correct!
That escaped me. Thanks though in retrospect it is painfully obvious. Thank you.
Let us hear from others!
Plato said it is not the role of the one who points out the self-evident to prove it, but it is the responsibility of the one in denial to absolutely negate it.
I think ultimately yes, it was bigotry. But I certainly think that a sum total of all the things you mentioned definitely helped pushed the needle over the edge. The DISinformation machine was running on all channels 24/7 with the "muzzle velocity" strategy. People's memories are indeed short so the Disinformation Machine won.
I've been preaching racist misogyny since mid-November 2024. I'm (almost) as fucking smart as James Fell!
MLK Jr. called it many decades ago when he note: “no group has experienced more prejudice than people of color, except women.” Spot on, despite all the hand wringing bs, it AMERICAN ENDIMIC BIGOTRY. And MAGA is code for MAWA, make America white again - derived from the KKks slogan. Everyone wearing a red hat knows their are bound together by White Supremacy. And the wealthiest Americans who voted for the Russian Asset are sociopaths, unbothered by racism, misogyny, Fascism and grift… self-absorbed in greed without regard for victims, including Democracy.
my editing sucks, after 2 books, one thing I know, the first time I review something I see what I think I wrote - too often. A good thing about FB, you can edit posthumously. -- noted.. it';s an Am... they're... (my wife, who proofed my last book is appalled)
So am adding this about the election: E. Henry Schoenberger Shaker Hts. Ohio 1h ago https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/07/us/politics/congress-trump-spending.html#permid=139615637
Silence breeds Fascism. It's past time to acknowledge that what is happening is a bloodless COUP. And in lieu of chronicling each outrageous act, each constitutionally unlawful act, it's time to step up to the line in defense of the Constitution to protect Democracy.
I took an oath "to defend the Constitution from foreign & DOMESTIC ENEMIES," to attend USNOCS starting on 19/Sept/1964. Generals and Admirals took the same oath, as did members of Congress. There is no oath to defend a President or king or self-evident Traitor in the Oval, under the influence of a foreign enemy, who is supported by a complicit party.
So top Congressional Democrats, considering there is a self-evident war against the Constitution and Democracy, considering there is no regard for the Constitution by the GOP Supreme Court Justices, must authorize military leaders to step up to the line to do their sworn duty to defend the Constitution, ie., Democracy.
Thomas Jefferson said: the role of government is to protect the public good. It would be better if a few Republicans would join with Democrats, if any of the leaders have the courage to do what is clearly necessary --- but to not speak this out loud is to be silent...and we know from Nazi Germany .
This bears repeating: SILENCE BREEDS FASCISM.
spot on
Sexism, racism, cheating, suppression, disinformation, gerrymandering, big money media, citizens united sell out, corruption, lack of civics and history education…there needs to be an “all of the above” option. Wanting to zero in on one thing or rank the causes is understandable, it makes it easier to direct your energy, but, is it maybe more worthwhile to just start trying to change the things you can change?
Super voter here. My right to vote was one of the reasons I couldn’t wait to turn 18. Suffragists didn’t throw themselves in front of stampeding horses for me to sit on my ass & not vote.
A few years ago, I tweeted that the reason we elected our first Black president but haven’t had a female president yet is because in the US, Christianity is still more sexist than racist. Some people lost their minds in the comments, but it’s true. Most Christians trust a man no matter his color/ethnicity more than a woman of any color/ethnicity. Misogyny is deeply embedded within their religion.
The day Kamala lost, I understood just how little our country cares about women.
Yes, but also how incapable liberals are as a group to think critically and pragmatically,, because the election's only issue was Democracy. Should the basic political POLICY OF THE USA BE DEMOCRACY OR FASCISM...
You got that right! It’s a choice people are making every day, but they don’t know what they’re choosing!
because the have their little likes which come before critical thinking... like how in the hell is the climate going to benefit under Fascists... sucking profits from the environment with 0 concern for the future... and they don't understand price gauging/profiteering underscores the ruse to indulge in sociopathic greed, termed "inflation." And you are spot on Darcy... there's a choice to think straight or be controlled by irrational emotions.
I like the title of your upcoming book.
You make a compelling argument, and I know it’s a factor, but I don’t think it’s that simple. I think she lost a lot of liberals because of the Biden Administration’s lack of messaging about its handling of the war in Gaza. Stupid, because Rump? So much worse. Idiots. And a ton of swing voters are really hurting here because although Biden did a masterful job on the economy, it still sucks for working people who don’t make a ton of money to live in this country, and that shit is hard to change here. And don’t forget, the Democrats are dependent on enormous corporate donations to run a campaign, so they’re complicit in many of the problems here. And they don’t have the massive Repugnican misinformation machine. So I’m just saying, complicated. And yes, racist and misogynist.
If she lost liberals due to thinking the US can manage an out of control Netanyahu then these "liberals" are not capable of analytical critical thinking! The Middle East is a cluster fuck, and Democracy was on the line...there were no other issues, because without Democracy... sociopathic Fascists don't give a shit about the public good...which is now on full Monty. And yes racism/misogyny is endemic to the USA - worse than any other country in No or So America.
The whole DEI ruse is a dog whistle to reinstate apartheid in America. In spite of telling the media that they were voting Trump because of the price of eggs, the electorate voted to reimpose a system where they would not have to work for a minority or woman. We have the lowest information voters in the developed world. They don’t understand policy but do respond to dog whistles.
I find it curious that so many of these post-mortems avoid and/or are afraid to assign culpability to Harris and her team. Yes, it was a turnout election; yes, America is a racist and sexist country—both influenced the outcome, sure. But you ignore both the pre-election focus group and exit polling data at your peril: however misunderstand by the polis, it was a two-issue election—the “economy” and immigration—and Harris and co. did not convey their stances on either clearly or cogently. Yes, the polis is illiterate and grievance-oriented; they were also provided no clear reason to vote for her. She had an impossible task, she’s, but she also dropped the ball—that needs to be said.
she and her team spent nearly $1 billion to lose badly. She didn't do the one thing she needed to, which was to explain what she was going to do differently and better than Biden. She didn't lay out an inspiring vision. Of course I'd vote for her a million times over Trump, but she wasn't a great candidate - merely a good one. And that wasn't enough to overcome the racism and sexism.
Someone I know framed it in terms of othering.
Obama was an "other" but he was a man.
Hillary was an "other" but she was white.
Harris was an "other other" and you can't win when you compound the othering.
I believe she lost for not recognizing the horror of genocide in Gaza. My reason is that I was very close to not voting for her denial of even allowing the Palestinians to speak at the convention. That this is never talked about or even mentioned in these discussions makes me sick. From watching young people speak up, I know they feel deeply about the blindness and suffering we support with our weapons.
This is what I understood the numbers showed, that it was people not voting in protest in my State, even more than the rampant supremacy we are witnessing. I reluctantly accept supremacy is the biggest driving factor, but it was a failure to address this issue sufficiently that allowed supremacy the upper hand. I agree it hasn't been talked about enough. I felt it was a mistake to abstain from voting on a single issue, but that doesn't mean it isn't an issue that has to be addressed. The basic problem of citizens not feeling they are being represented is still there. I don't think we have a lot of control over people holding onto misogynistic racism, but we can assert what we expect in leadership. I would like to see it talked about more, how greed is enabling genocide. An election being lost hasn't made it clear enough. It's very important, & it's not just Palestine.
Has the media, any journalist, any news paper written this headline: MAGA IS CODE FOR MAWA, MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN, DERIVED FROM THE KKK'S SLOGAN.
It's time to acknowledge that every empty bigoted head under a red MAGA hat realizes this is the symbol of WHITE SUPREMACISTS - which the canny Russian Asset in the Oval, as a kkk sympathizer, knew would mobilize a base, as he would give voice to their own racism and misogyny.
The part about the Democratic Convention wasnt the important part E Henry. That was just the tipping point. The dems could have gained a smidgen of important forgiveness for just recognizing the right to present a bigger view. Free speech some call it. The horror is what is being done to people and that we ( our State Dept lied about what was happening on the ground) are supporting it with our military-industrial complex! The horror continues. Its not hard to find evidence of it.
Ludicrous. And the Dem convention was not a referendum on Palestine. Furthermore, do you or all the others finding fault with Biden/Harris realistically believe the US can control sociopathic Netanyahu? Shit, the voters allowed the Russian Asset to re-occupy the Oval. THE ONLY ISSUE ON THE BALLOT WAS DEMOCRACY....and now is is MIA.